Altec 413-8A update. I have been digging up info. on the 413 Altec woofer. Here is what I have found. The 413-8A 15" Altec woofer was only used in the santiago cabinets, and only in the very first run of Santiagos. Production numbers of Santiagos with the 413 are less than 100 pairs. The cone kits, and surround kits for the 413 are no longer available. Anyone needing 413 repairs have to switch out the the 413s for 411-8As in the Santiago cabinets.
Granada also, the mini-Barcelona: http://www.lansingheritage.org/image...ome/page18.jpg http://www.lansingheritage.org/image...ome/page19.jpg
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The 413 was only used in the santiagos, and in the very first ones made. Intersting enough, Altec switched to the 411-8A in the same year, 1971. I believe what bowtie said to be true, Altec must of used what was in stock at the time the santiagos were introduced, that being the 3" voice coil rear mounting driver the 413.
You didn't dig deep enough. As GM noted, they were in Granadas too (last 2 entries on page):Originally Posted by theebadone
( scan courtesy Lansing Heritage)
I'm curious where your production numbers came from, as no one here seems to have that info from that period?
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All records of production numbers have been lost for many years, these numbers came from G.P.A.You didn't dig deep enough. As GM noted, they were in Granadas too (last 2 entries on page):
( scan courtesy Lansing Heritage)
I'm curious where your production numbers came from, as no one here seems to have that info from that period?
Damn, that must of been the 413 too. Altecs descripition of (411 like) must be the 413 also in the granada, sorry, i stand corrected. G.P.A. has no data on the 413 at all. Along with no repair parts. The driver performs great, I just wish i had access to parts, instead of having to switch them out, as these things are goin on 40 yrs. old. Guess i will keep digging for any documentation of how many were actually made.
"[I]We're going all the way, till the wheels fall off and burn[/I]!"
Bob Dylan, from [I]Brownsville Girl[/I]
[I]"Time wounds all heels"[/I]
John Lennon, referring to the Nixon/Hoover deportation fiasco.
I'm tryin to find all the info. i can on the 413, because i have a pair in the santiagos.
Me either, so thanks for the confirmation! When he posted that I was wrong, I just wrote it off as yet another of my bad assumptions based on a single sighting and 'proven' with a catalog 'blooper' since at the time of the Barcelona's, etc. introduction, Atlanta's economy was 'exploding' with its new wealth, so it wasn't uncommon to get pre-production (or even model shop prototypes in at least one case (not Altec)) to 'test the waters'.
While we're on this subject though, by the time these products were released I had virtually zero interest in most speaker manufacturer's consumer offerings, only browsing/auditioning some of them at the distributor, so paid no attention to any available literature to notice such things until in recent years on this forum, but something I wanted to bring up when we discussed this driver awhile back and don't recall getting around to it is the visual discrepancies of the 411 and 413 in the various literature.
The grand total of two 413s I've seen up close and personal (one each in a Santiago and Granada at the same audition) looks like his, yet the original (only?) Santiago literature shows a driver with a 411 diaphragm and typical protruding half roll surround rather than the flimsy doped cloth one as shown in the Barcelona and 9846-8A, 9848-8A literature and what Altec sent me for my A7-500 'subs' project, i.e. a 411-8A (should have been revised to -8B IMO) that wasn't available at the time AFAIK and at this late date is only first documented on-line several years later in this 1975 catalog, implying it was a version developed, then 'shelved' for whatever reason (foam rotting issues common at the time?): http://www.lansingheritage.org/image...ome/page15.jpg
More recently, I've seen 411 pictures with accordion surrounds which in theory reduces its low distortion LF power handling (Xmax) considerably, so was this yet another 411 variant or non OEM or GPA 'best they can do with remaining available parts' re-cone kit or .........?
TIA,
GM
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My WAG, and this is purely a wild guess is that an attempt was made to come as close as possible to the 411's performance using "in house" parts, or parts easily made from existing tooling.
I just have a strong inkling that the 411 was very costly to produce since so much of it was unique to the rest of what they were building at the time. Did anything besides the 950 ceiling speaker share the 411's frame/basket, and were 411 and 950 built concurrently?
Every time i try to think this one from outside the box, i end up in the accounting or marketing dept..
Am i too far out on the limb here?
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